Julio 03, 2002
Bad Zoos

On two recent road trips, I was surprised to see so many signs along the highway indicating Zoos. As you drive the 401 or the 400 in southern Ontario, you see some gas stations, occasionally a mall or a casino, and mostly nothing else of any interest whatsoever.
You also see these blue road signs with graphic symbols depicting giraffes or jungle cats, and it seems weird to think that there might be a giraffe, a tiger, or even an elephant nearby.

Of all the zoos in Canada, Ontario has the lion's share. I guess that's because we have the most people, and therefore the most potential zoogoers.
This site seems to be the political arm of Daniel's Ark Wildlife Preserve near Whitby, Ontario. It's a really crappy site, and what's great is that the owner is named Daniel, and that he decided to call his zoo Daniel's Ark. It's worth reading his ultra-defensive attack on the animal rights groups that have clearly been breathing down his neck. Here's an excerpt:

"I am pointing the finger at money making animal rights organizations that advertise on their web sites to harass and terrorize your local sanctuary zoo or preserve.  I would love to see how dedicated they are to wildlife if they had to bottle raise young newborn wildlife every 2 to 3 hours in order to ensure a child will be able to touch and see a lynx or fox or timber wolf in a safe arrangement."

-- Daniel, from Daniel's Ark Wildlife Preserve.

He's basically saying that if you had to do what he has to do -- which is pretty fucking ultra-specific -- you wouldn't be so dedicated to wildlife, you bastards! How dare you come in here. How will children touch a lynx? How else? There is no fucking other arrangement that is safe! If you had to do this, you'd hate wildlife like I do. Get the fuck off my ark.

Also on that list is the Northwoods Buffalo and Exotic Animal Ranch. The owner of this place tried to sell lions to the Kabul zoo while the U.S. was bombing Afghanistan -- an idea the WSPA called "sheer lunacy". Obviously this guy doesn't understand the zoo business very well, and that's made clear in this assessment of their facilities.

If it wasn't so fucking sad, it would be funny.

Posted by King at Julio 03, 2002 12:41 AM

The animals we deem worthy of being watched, 'saved' and captured pace within their cages ... But maybe it us, the human animal that should be caged. Or maybe we are already caged -
Imprisoned within the perimeters of our minds - punished by the self inflicted fears, the limitations and the ignorance that restrict us from going beyond those barriers we deem 'safe' ... We live in a zoo every bloody day. (...Perhaps its just a question of who cages who? Maybe that's what it comes down to, whether we cage ourselves, or whether we are caged by others?)

Posted by: Aries on Julio 3, 2002 05:48 AM .

I'm guessing that you're not really an Aries, you're a Leo.

I'd suggest taking a look at Jungle Cat World in Orono. It actually looks pretty respectable. They offer a wildlife adventure camp for adults only, on Labour Day weekend. On top of 'Wild up-close and hands-on experiences with the animals'(these animals being pelicans, tarantualas, fat-tailed lemurs and a bird-eating Vietnamese centipede--Jungle Cat World?), other fun activities include: Guest speakers, wildlife presentations, horseback riding, mountain-biking, hiking, Land Rover off-road adventure, delicious ethnic meals, evening bonfires and a Saturday night "Spanish Fiesta" (live band)!

Whaddya say? Group discounts over 10 people.

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Posted by: Rubberducky on Noviembre 24, 2003 10:28 AM .

It is very clear that you have never been to Daniel's Ark Wildlife Preserve..... they are located in Bolton not Whitby.

Before you start badmouthing zoos, I strongly suggest that you visit the place first... this shows how unprofessional you are, and that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Posted by: Wynnie the Bear on Noviembre 26, 2003 08:58 AM .

Good point "Wynnie the Bear". How unprofessional of me. Now you've got me worried about the professionalism on the rest of this site. After all, I'm all about professionalism, and I really want to make sure that's clear to everyone who reads this fucking garbage. It's gotta be totally fucking professional. Next time I'll have my researcher and my administrative assistant look more closely at my retarded opinions to make sure that the professional community and I can engage one another in a more professional manner. Thank you "Wynnie the Bear", for bringing this issue to the high-minded, professional, and intellectual forum that is I King.

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Your use of profanity further illustrates Wynnie's point that you are unprofessional, and vulgar to boot... hey buddy can you clean up the language for the ladies, at least

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Posted by: nahrungsergänzungsmittel on Marzo 25, 2004 03:55 PM .

KING Big mistake messing with Daniel's Ark Wildlife Preservation Alliance. A loser like you should investigate the laws of Canada before associating your scum use of literacy to affect a federally registerd charity. My only thought is you are really stupid or financially suicidal. Either way the courts will decide your fate. Leave your advertisement message and interpetation of Daniel's Ark wildlife Preserve up on your web site it will further our lawsuit on you. Next time be smart enough to hide your identity for legal purposes moron. It took less than 10 minutes of investigation . Only twisted little misfits such as you with no backbone to write crap like this. Try saying this to my face weenie. What ever you have in assets if any will be worth taking on behalf of canadian zoological charities.

Posted by: Daniel Elliott on Abril 2, 2004 09:04 AM .

It's pretty awesome that Daniel Elliott is so reckless with his words and at the same time so litigious. Is this for real? King, did you just get called a weenie and a loser and a user of "scum literacy"? ON THE INTERNET!!!!????!!!! Daniel, you can't say all this stuff and actually mean it! On what grounds could you take someone to court for calling your website "crappy" and quoting your ultra-defensive and outrageous statements about animal rights activists? I FUCKING DARE YOU TO TRY AND TAKE KING TO COURT!!!! Who's the weenie, Daniel? YOU'RE THE FUCKING WEENIE!!!!!
King, incidentally I totally think Daniel could kick your ass based only on the blurry photo on his website. I'm sure he's pretty rangy and burly and, failing that, he could set Wasago the Timberwolf or Nola the Lynx on you.
Daniel, incidentally I totally think that Wasago and Nola are "crappy" names for animals and I also think your website is "pretty crappy".

Posted by: TheDiscourse on Abril 2, 2004 07:38 PM .

It is amazing how brave you idiots (such as yourself, and king) are by hiding behind cowardly aliases because you are afraid to expose who you really are. If you truly were genuine you wouldn't be acting or using the type of language you do on a public forum. My words were not intended to be a warning it is a promise. By the way the name Wasago was placed on that wolf by a native ojibwey elder. Good assumption degenerate. You should create your own website called "Morons are us".

Posted by: Daniel Elliott on Abril 2, 2004 09:47 PM .

" Morons are us "..... I like that idea Daniel.
It is quite apparent that those "morons" did not take the time to look over the web site... it is not a crappy site... as for King... who can take the guy seriously when he has never even been to Daniel's Ark... if he had been he would have known it was in Bolton not Whitby.
KIng if you are going to trash a zoo on the net, at least visit the place first so you have a vague idea of what you are talking about..
But then perhaps you don't have the balls... or maybe you are afraid of losing them to the wolves. LOL

Posted by: Wasago the Wolf on Abril 2, 2004 10:57 PM .

Hey Daniel,
Have you ever eaten noni fruit? what's it like? I hear it smells like shit and tastes like shit but nahrungsergäzungsmittel up there tells me otherwise. Do you have anything to say about noni fruit one way or the other? Have I made a BIG MISTAKE by bringing it up with you? Why are you so aggressive and abusive? Does it have something to do with the fact that when you google "Daniel's Ark", this is the 3rd website that comes up? I can understand why you'd be upset about that but frankly you're an absolute ass if you think that you have any grounds for legal action based on that. I get the impression you are sort of an ass though. Or maybe you're just a bit hot-headed. That's totally fair I guess; spending all your time with wild animals must get sort of intense. Anyway, I think you have to come to terms with the fact that THIS IS THE INTERNET and there are NO RULES!!!! IT'S LIKE THE BITCHING WILD WILD WEST UP IN HERE O.K.!?!!! WE CAN SAY WHATEVER THE BITCHSHIT WE WANT ABOUT YOU AND YOUR LYNX, O.K.? DEAL WITH IT!!!!????????????????????

Posted by: TheDiscourse on Abril 3, 2004 02:28 AM .

Excuse me but I fail to see what the connection is between noni fruit and bad zoos. Is this
board not about BAD ZOOS????

I love the fact that the internet is like
the WILD WILD WEST...NO RULES... in this
degernerating world of media manipulation,
we need a medium like this..... however my
point is... if you have a problem with
" Daniel's Ark " Northwood, or any other zoo, you certainly have a right to disclose your thoughts... but please make sure you get all of
the facts straight... GO TO THE ZOO ... visit before you post.

This WILD WILD WEST of the internet will be maaningless if people post whatever crap they
want, without looking fully into the issue first.

I challenge you I KING, and THE DISCLOSURE
to vist Daniel's Ark...although I suspect
you two might be one and the same !!!!!

Posted by: Wasago the Wolf on Abril 3, 2004 09:59 AM .


Posted by: Daniel Elliott on Abril 3, 2004 10:25 AM .

Why am I a COWARD? Also, why don't you rely on punctuation rather than the caps lock button for emphasis? I like TheDisclosure as a name though; it makes me sound like some sort of anonymous political informant or something. Way to keep out the swears too, because hellfuck knows that King and I aren't especially bitching good at that no-swears assshit. You clearly protect your public reputation as keenly as you protect your lynx and your bobcat or whatever you've got out there in Whitby.
Furthermore, Daniel Elliott and Wasago the Wolf (although I suspect you two might be one and the same!!!!!!!!!) I don't think you have all that much to be upset about, to be honest. King just said that your website could do with some work and that you come off as an overly-defensive hothead or whatever. Being an overly-defensive hothead seems entirely consistent with your whole man-of-the-wild/Trapper-Jack persona that you've obviously cultivated for many years. I would say it's working pretty well for you Daniel. Not every "wildlife technician" or whatever you want to call yourself wants to be a second-string Jack Hanna, right? Like all affable and smiley on the Tonight Show, in khaki fatigues (clearly going for a deeply sinister and insidious aesthetic synergy of military self-discipline and a deeply entrenched and atavistic colonial nostalgia)? No, Daniel, based on your website and your "outspoken reputation", you're clearly more concerned with instilling some edginess in wildlife preservation. You shoot from the hip Daniel, and you clearly have a zeal for nature that burns bright and hard deep-down in your bowels. While I've come to admire that about you Daniel, I think that this zeal sometimes makes you say things that you might not mean or at least that you haven't thought out properly before saying them (like threatening legal action on a weblog). Your inner "Wasago the Wolf" is clearly more restrained and meditative and I really think you should cultivate that side of yourself. Unless you actually have a talking wolf that can type and read, in which case I'm on my way to your Ark immediately.

Posted by: TheDiscourse on Abril 3, 2004 01:31 PM .

One more thing Daniel, when you say that the name Wasago was given to your wolf by an Ojibway elder, do you mean that an Ojibway elder visited Daniel's Ark and named your wolf or do you mean that you exploitatively co-opted a piece of indigenous culture by stealing an Ojibway name and giving it to your wolf, thereby trying to commodify "exotic" Ojibway culture?

Posted by: TheDiscourse on Abril 3, 2004 02:48 PM .

Who the hell are you to say that Daniel's Ark is some fucked up zoo that you "supposedly" know of and have so many bad things to say. I agree with Daniel that you probably are to fucking scared to say anything to his face at the fact of losing what little balls you have I agree with Wasago the Wolf in the fact you should actually visit Daniel's Ark but you probably would enjoy the fact that it happens to be a good fucking zoo. i think that you would probably be to much of a chickenshit to say that it is a good zoo based on the fact that you HAVE to bad mouth everyone to feel that you actually have a point in life. You ignorant son of a bitch are not in fact I KING for one can only call himself a king if he respects the efforts of others and are showing regal command you ASSHOLE.

Posted by: Jack the Coyote on Abril 3, 2004 05:39 PM .

Sorry to disapoint you Discourse, but Wasago the Wolf and Daniel Elliott are not one and the same.
I am a talking wolf that can type and read... so come visit me at the Ark, and I promise not to rip off your balls!!!!!!

Posted by: Wasago the Wolf on Abril 3, 2004 11:54 PM .

I agree with Wasago I promise not rip you to pieces with her. Like for fuck sakes were you struck speechless that you would actually like the zoo. And you have no call to say anything about someplace you have no clue about. Daniel's Ark is in BOLTON asshole not whitby. You would have to be a fucked up social reject to do what you are doing. I hope that you can fucking get over yourself and realize that Daniel's Ark is a damn good fucking zoo!!

Posted by: Jack the Coyote on Abril 4, 2004 03:41 PM .

I lost interest in writing blogg comments to a man pretending to be animals he keeps on his shitty zoo.

Posted by: TheDiscourse on Abril 4, 2004 03:59 PM .

Well I just happened to click on to this site while perusing the internet for places to take the wife and kids this summer. I was checking out The Daniel's Ark Wildlife Website and what doI find, but I King.

King, inspite of the fact your language is a little rough, and I would not want my kids on this site, I think that you have brought up a very good point about bad zoos. I had not even considered the fact that there might be a bad zoo in Ontario, as I thought they would all be government regulated and subject to inspections. Your links to the WSPA and zoocheck site, provided an abundance of information. You have done the public a great service in pointing this out, because I am sure there are a lot of people out there like me who were in the dark.

Now if you were to just get rid of all of the nonsence comments on this board ( I think many people will not scroll down to Daniels comments, which are crucial in showing what he is all about)
you may get a very good discussion going here on zoos. I do not think that you are a moron, quite the contrary.

As for Daniel, I have read the blurb on his site putting down the animal rights groups. In my opinion if he were on the up and up, he would be with them and not against them. How can you run a zoo and say you are not for animal rights!!!!

I for sure will not be taking my family to this zoo this summer, and I am sure that many other people who have come across this site feel the same way. Hats off to you KIng,

Posted by: Sam I Am on Abril 5, 2004 01:03 AM .

Why are you a coward?
It’s pretty obvious because you won't identify yourself. You are really brave. Daniel's Ark is exposed to the public and certainly has no objective to hide. Where is this guy I King Bad Zoos? It appears he hides within the internet. When I look for examples of a King from history they are always exposed to the public in identity. You hold 0% credibility. TheDiscourse and I King are one in the same. This took about 3 minutes of investigation. Stupid and cowardly, what a great combination of traits to be known by Daragh. Sounds like a good name to add to the R.C.M.P. terrorist list of morons choosing to live in Canada. Why don't you take flying lessons in Canada and forget the landing procedures. If you ever visited our preserve you would realize I do keenly as you put it protect my wildlife. It also appears you have a problem with Jack Hanna. A truly nice guy who has brought a lot of awareness and protection to endangered wildlife. You will gain alot of fans attacking him!!! Go knock yourself out. It seems that if anyone has animal education and awareness working with captive born species they must be copying one another in your opinion cheap shot assumption. You are a disgrace to open communication. Have you any conscience to what you babble fourth with on the web? Is there a need to use the fowl shameless language you choose in your discussions? Whether or not children read your site or not adults are to set this example. It also appears your personality exhibits nothing more than jealous hostility. You spend your time attacking. I spend my time protecting. Your statement stating I exploited and co opted a piece of indigenous culture by stealing an Ojibway name, Nice try Daragh. It may disappoint you to know native people work with our preserve and a real native elder named our wolf Wasago.
Now it’s really amusing when a guy claims he clicked onto our website and by chance got there through, Daragh's oxygen deprived I King Bad Zoos marker. When someone claims they are a family man and read I King Bad Zoos garbage commentary with a positive evaluation my question is where are the child protection authorities to protect this guy's children? The guy thinks Daragh is talking a little rough in his language choice. Don’t have this guy involved in childcare. Can you imagine what twist of literature he would condom as proper children's reading material. I will teach my children to identify freaks, idiots, cowards and losers such as you. You picked the wrong guy to bare your cross on I King.

If you thought I had 0% legal recourse you would not have tried to stroke me in some of your statements regarding praising my zeal for wildlife. Threatening legal action has had success in courts with a well put together case. Your time and WSPA along with Zoocheck has arrived.
Give my regards to Rob Laidlaw, Chartered Biologist hahahaahah..........

Posted by: Daniel Elliott on Abril 6, 2004 02:23 PM .

Sorry for the typing error in the last response the sentence should have read "Can you imagine what twist of literature he would condone as proper children's reading material." Though i tend to believe you would prefer to leave the word condom in there. Ha Ha Ha

Posted by: Daniel Elliott on Abril 6, 2004 04:07 PM .

Again it’s very easy to attack wildlife havens you think you disagree with because they are exposed targets for sicko freaks like yourself. It still appears you will not identify yourself because you are a spineless freak!!!!. My Ark is exposed to scrutiny yet no one in your forum is identifying themselves because they are not legitimate. My website it seems is being used by an idiot who feels it convenient to get attention to his vulgar web site. Through analysis very few people are reading Daragh’s web site. People who would read his site and see any credibility are in need of mental health. All the Ark ever intended to do was to protect precious wildlife bloodlines, educate the public on Canadian wildlife, provide a site for study and protect the environment. I have personally stood up for zoo’s sanctuaries and wild life preserves because of sick, misinformed hate that has been put forth by organizations such as Peta, WSPA, and Animal Alliance to name a few. You guys can’t even get my address location right let alone know what it has to offer. You are not real opinions, you are users with no positive point. The language you use has no respect for young minds who may reach you on the way to the Ark. What a terrible example you are for proper literacy. What is your point or objective freak? Why not attack the homeless charities next? They are easy targets also. As far as Sam I am of who wrote in his assessment of the Ark, he would not visit us because of my opinions of animal rights groups; I pity your children. What kind o f father could praise a little freak like Daragh?
Nice try Daragh on your acting arms length to WSPA and Zoocheck. For them to reach a degenerate such as your self shows what type of individuals run these organizations. For your information most zoos on the WSPA report barely cover their costs to operate. What kind of individual attacks places caring for wildlife in captivity. These places provide the only care currently available. Only a sick twisted freak would take the time to prejudice the public on such wildlife havens. What are these organizations doing such as WSPA and Zoocheck other than criticism? Where is all the money going? It appears to fund people who probably don’t even own a cat or a dog let alone understand wildlife to speak filth and ill intent on a public forum. It is not by chance he linked his smut to Daniel’s Ark. On his own who would have found him? Probably no one. I can tell you that you are harassing research into the recovery of the eastern cougar, children’s education into Canadian wildlife species, rehabilitation of abandoned quarry pits and preservation of precious Canadian wildlife bloodlines. Only radical jerks would focus controversy on the opinion of the month section and ignore our benefit as an organization looking after wildlife which requires care. You and your supporters of narrow minded hate will lose your battle of attack on zoo’s and wildlife sites. What you are doing is increasing my legal case against WSPA and Zoocheck. Keep up the good work. You do nothing I have nothing.
You are not a man you are nothing more than a degenerate slime. Go slime someone else.

Posted by: Daniel Elliott on Abril 6, 2004 05:20 PM .

Daniel Elliott, you are a weird guy. As of now-ish, I'm going to have to cut you off from contributing to this site. Also, you are wrong about all of your assertions about the identities of people who contribute to this site. Entirely wrong and you're also a terrible liar. You lie about a lot of things and you set up a fake comment on this weblog from somebody else in order to help some sort of lawsuit you're preparing that I would bet will never grace any judge's desk. You are a sad zookeeper and I feel terribly sorry for the animals in your care, though I would never venture to visit them in Whitby or Bolton or wherever your angry bad zoo is. Your language and your lies and your terrible punctuation are entirely consistent with behavioural patterns of paranoid schizophrenics. Entirely.
Finally, you have to realize that the more you look at this particular thread and contribute to it, the stronger the google association between this site and your name will become. You are an angry, dishonest, abusive, creepy zookeeper with paranoid shizophrenic personality traits who, in my opinion, should have his zookeeper's license revoked if such a license exists.

Posted by: TheDiscourse on Abril 6, 2004 09:11 PM .

The Discourse:

I agree with you 100%, and you yourself know that we are not connected and do not know each other.
Thank you for the enlightenment, and to answer your question, No there is no zoo license to revoke. That is the problem, from what I have been reading on the WSPA and Zoocheck sites, thanks to your links. He is however licensed by the MNR.

Daniel, here is a question for you. Do you breed animals. If so why and what do you do with them? If most of the zoos out there barely make ends meet, then why do they collect so many animals? From your website I have read that all the animals are bred in captivity. That means you are a breeder and not a wild life preservationist. You are not a sanctuary and a haven for these animals. You are The Warden of their prison.

Thanks to I King, I am about to join WSPA. I had no idea this sort of thing was going on in Canada.

Posted by: Sam I Am on Abril 6, 2004 10:21 PM .

Disclosure, I King, and Sam I Am...... now we know that you are all one and the same!!!!

Kick Daniel off the site.... now that is pretty funny... this board has not had any action in months until he came on board....

THE JOKE IS ON YOU... nobody reads this stuff anyway!!!! Falls upon blind eyes so to speak..

Posted by: Wasago The Wolf on Abril 6, 2004 11:03 PM .

Hey Daniel,

Sorry I haven't replied to many of your comments but I haven't been on this part of the blog in a while.Daragh and TheDiscourse and I are not the same person, although we often have similar opinions and whatnot. I feel totally out of the loop in terms of this argument, but I will say that when I wrote the original entry, although I found some elements of your website and the writing on it amusing, my main problem with some of the smaller Ontario zoos was the fact that they keep giraffes and lions and all sorts of exotic animals way outside of their natural environments without any of the resources to care for them properly. Now I'm not sure about the species you care for, but if you were to say, offer a tour of your facilities to TheDiscourse and I, we would be more than pleased to meet your animals -- especially Wasago the Wolf and the foul-mouthed coyote, Jack, who we now know so well from their comments on this site. I think it's a good idea that we see it for ourselves at this point. Then maybe we can write an update that is informed by that direct experience which you feel is crucial to the understanding of your zoo. What do you think?

Posted by: king on Abril 13, 2004 07:30 PM .

Unfortunately you have created your own peril regarding communication on the issue of wildlife indigenous or nonindeginous in captivity. Why would you make comments whether your original or continuous commentary attacked zoos, sanctuaries, and particularly Daniel's Ark without anyone investigating with any credible scientific credentials. Do you not think it is a matter of conscience when you realize people in general who may not have taken the time to examine or investigate a subject are relying on your comments as a credible source. I feel you seem to question most things in general. Try having a point that has backing! Have you checked out the credentials of the people who did the investigation under the label of WSPA and Zoocheck? These people barely qualified as manure technicians let alone commenting as experts in wildlife. Are you that easily sold?
When you continued blabbering about a location you had not even visited yourself, that led me to a conclusion that you do no research but enjoy commenting and creating controversy.
If you would like to visit our site we would welcome your arrival. First things first, who are you as a citizen of Canada and who will be with you? I would require complete identification prior to arrival along with picture ID, passport or driver's licence to verify your visit. Unfortunately your associations do not turn up credible with the legal authorities of Canada (Animal rights groups), therefore be aware your visit will be monitored as all visits are now under video surveillance. This is not a scare tactic this is unfortunately a measure many animal sites have had to impose for security. I would be disappointed after your last comment for you to decline. If you have nothing to hide i await your arrival. Feel free to contact me via email if you prefer.

Posted by: Daniel Elliott on Abril 14, 2004 06:38 PM .


I look forward to meeting you. I will even keep that foul mouthed Jack the Coyote under wraps for you.
...... and by the way I WASAGO and Daniel are not one and the same, even though we do have similar opinions.... and as for Jack, well I would NEVER use such language.... not becoming for a lady such as myself.... though Jack does get his point across!!!!!

Posted by: Wasago The Wolf on Abril 14, 2004 10:32 PM .

Daniel Daniel Daniel
What is all of this bullshit about showing ID before we come to your ark? Are you going soft in the head? We could show up anytime you are open, tour your zoo, and you would never know about it. For all you know, we might have fished in your stupid Crater Lake, which, by the way, leads me to another question Daniel. Are you running a zoo there, or a hunting lodge?

Daniel, when you Google Crater Lake Bolton Ontario, the Hunt Ontario link shows up about 3 spots down. Now you have to wonder why, that would show up. Well when you click on the link what suddenly appears is an ad for Crater Lake Lodge, a hunting and fishing club.

Really Daniel, " help me make our Crater Lake Lodge a thorn in the animal rights activist community." And that comment about the Schad Foundation " oposers of the spring bear hunt "
I bet Winnie the Bear would have something to say about that.

So what are you running there Daniel a zoo or a hunting lodge? Make up your mind asshole you can't have it both ways. Seems to be a conflict of interest if you ask me. Maybe those "Manure Technicians" at WSPA and Zoocheck should take another look at your zoo/hunting lodge. They may not be as kind next time. You are such a loser man. I feel sorry for your animals.

Posted by: The Discourse on Abril 15, 2004 12:06 AM .

I actually didn't write that last comment; either you're having a schizophrenic episode ON THIS BOARD Daniel Elliott or you're just an asshole. Either way, you're still a weird guy.
Funnily enough, neither King nor I have any affiliations with any animal rights activist groups.

Posted by: TheDiscourse,actually on Abril 15, 2004 09:03 AM .

Well that's it guys. I am going to visit Daniel's Ark/Crater Lake Lodge myself, ( sans family of course ) and see for myself what is going on. This board has certainly peaked my curiosity. I will let you know what I think, after the visit, just in case King and The Discourse don't pass the security check lol.

The big question Hunting Lodge or Zoo ? I agree with The Discourse, you can't have it both ways Daniel.

I may just do a little fishing too!

Posted by: Sam I Am on Abril 15, 2004 07:05 PM .

u suk

Posted by: Steven on Mayo 3, 2004 02:16 PM .

Sam have you made it to the Ark or not?

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